Are they being put up in an extended stay type compound? He is probably right in both those factors. 28 years represented by ALPA, walked the picket line 29 days in 1985 and was ready to do it again several times during my career to entice management to come to the negotiating table with a better contract for pilots. The significant wage difference may be in anticipation of the economic recovery process ahead. Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim. At those rates, retention will be a huge problem. Spirit flight attendants are generally better than AA and UA. So, that will be difficult. Breeze Airways Most of the comments are/were regarding the MMG and hourly pay, but the key factor is the requirements to actually get the job. The race to the bottom continues. Very clever. Chances if you have surgery, you already have. Nevertheless, Breeze Airways is still on track to launch in the US in the first quarter of 2021. Minimum wage in Utah is $7.25/hr and cost of living there is pretty low. Neeleman has a track record of success in the industry, so Im curious to see how this venture works out. Stay connected with the latest travel, aviation, and credit card news. We are seeing a rapid deployment of apps and self-service kiosks to replace human workforce that don't bring $15 an hour value. Our business address is: While perhaps not quite as controversial, Breezes approach to hiring pilots is also raising some eyebrows, as flagged by @StringAndRuder and @AirlineFlyer. Age of planes? Many may look back later in life with a better career and better economics fondly with the experience they had along with friendships made. What Are Redeye Flights? Or at least it is very close. Claim your Free Employer Profile Website: www.flybreeze.com Headquarters: Cottonwood Heights, UT Size: 501 to 1000 Employees Founded: 2018 Type: Company - Private Do you want your pilots to be the bottom of the barrel? I'm assuming Breeze knows there's going to be a number of unemployed pilots and $77K+ a year is better than unemployment benefits. Our model gets smarter over time as more people share salaries on Glassdoor. share. more like the lived way of another religious group who is willing to do ANYTHING to keep control in place, . Does everyone just think about cost of a ticket, but not how safe the aircraft are? An economy and society needs its worker bees as much as (more than?) Every job would hire people at less than half pay and call them interns if they could get away with it. I don't know how Breeze expects to hire the best people who invest in the job at those wages. Wonder what theyll pay their mechanics and pilots??? It will be interesting to see how this twist in offering a perpetual/consistently youthful corps of flight attendants at Breeze versus those with (decades of) seniority at other airlines plays out, thats for sure. How awful that Neeleman is forcing people to work under these conditions with a gun to their head! Add to that COVID and these poor guys will have NO CHOICE but to fly for these asshats. Also: are families welcome? but if your salary stays low, you cannot build a family. Idea sounds interesting but that pay scale and hiring model is trash. Bottom line: Supply and Demand principles are at play. Joined APC: Jan 2006. They are not hired to be sex symbols and keep men sexually entertained through out the flight; therefore, I could care less how old you are as long as you can save my life in the event of an emergency. I'm 41. Unions. My point is: Why pay more if you don't have to? A union can negotiate for the whole group, unity makes force. Breeze Airways PAYSCALES CAPTAIN PAY SCALE (Hourly) FIRST OFFICER PAY SCALE (Hourly) PAY CALCULATOR (Click and drag the sliders) Pay Rate: $150 Credit Time: 75 Hours Bid Periods: 1 Percentage: 1 $11,250 PAY NOTES Monthly Pay Guarantee for Line Holders: 70 hours Monthly Pay Guarantee for Reserves: 70 hours PER DIEM Scheduled pay raises: Yearly No other large country trains and hires their airline pilots the way we do. Its schedule, price, loyalty program. Partying and hanging out with friends is what college students are supposed to be doing. They better start changing the pilot pay or pilots will start leaving to China and make real time money up there . The downside for me, and they exist in almost all arrangements, is the unknown as to whether we'll have health insurance. Don't knock it - they may be seeing how they can yield sufficient FA's before they go a different route entirely. This says to me that the quality of pilot they will be recruiting will be far from the best and hence, an airline to swerve. Spirit passengers, not so much. We spend $100K plus on flight training plus college for most of us. The company hopes to take flight just over two years later, with service launching later this year. Off topic, sorry. And many of the commenters on here will fill seats when UA is 5x the price on Are all the posts from FAs at other airlines? And I'm not convinced a bright college student can't get the job done. Kinda like this site makes money signing people up for credit cards. Technology is greatuntil something goes wrong. 4. Starting up a new airline in a global pandemic is certainly difficult. It's funny, isn't it the view of things changes upon where you're standing. your username . Again, a lot will depend upon the future demand for air travel. Does the fact that all FA positions are, looking at the website, classified as "part-time" allow them to avoid paying for health insurance? It's extremely spot on that the second comment on this article was written by a guy whose photo is a selfie in his car while wearing sunglasses. Commuting from another city to work is almost impossible when on reserve. Many young girls and guys want to be a flight attendant from 20-65 or older. Why are we encouraging a race to the bottom? Thats exactly what I got from reading the article.. Hello Travis and thank you for the advice. Learn about Breeze Airways culture, salaries, benefits, work-life balance, management, job security, and more. Thread starter aisleguy; Start date Mar 22, 2022; A. aisleguy Well-Known Member. Do they add up for you? [Breeze] Airways - Airline Pilot Central Forums Neeleman is known for building airlines with great cultures, but I kind of have a hard time getting behind this whole concept at Breeze. Poor, poor me. Anyone with a college degree need not apply to be a flight attendant, while the only reason to become a pilot at Breeze is if you have no other options pay is roughly on par with regionals, while requirements are significantly higher. S C A R Y. ), what most likely happened after you got your paralytic and your anesthesia is some slightly tired, fresh-face resident came in to practice his/her craft on you. 0 comments. Then there are the wages and hours questions. I applied for a ticket/ramp/gate/baggage handler position and got the job. Fly for less money and less stress. The founder of the airline is David Neeleman, the same guy behind JetBlue. I considered myself a professional and definitely grew with my profession.. All union issues aside I find it interesting that he has singled out the flight attendants specifically.. Nobody even knows what the work culture, training will be like at this startup, yet look at all of the certainty in these comments already. Would you pay your doctor, lawyer, nurse, even architect, engineer, electrician, plumber, welder etc. I'm a retired AA captain. I know these FA's will not be scheduled for overnight trips. There isn't enough information to know whether this is a good deal or a bad deal for the "part timers" potentially taking this work. Maybe we should let other adults be adults, and them have the freedom to figure out what works well for their own lives. Apart from seeking to keep labor cost for the flight attendants lower than at airlines where seniority translates into wage escalation over time, not to mention other costs such as health insurance, which also becomes more expensive as most of us advance in age, or perhaps even pension costs, since the college interns are envisioned as moving on to other occupations after they age out - er graduate - another benefit of this innovative labor Apart from seeking to keep labor cost for the flight attendants lower than at airlines where seniority translates into wage escalation over time, not to mention other costs such as health insurance, which also becomes more expensive as most of us advance in age, or perhaps even pension costs, since the college interns are envisioned as moving on to other occupations after they age out - er graduate - another benefit of this innovative labor policy for flight attendants just so happens to be maintaining a youthful labor force as seniors depart from - er graduate - their internships and are replaced by freshmen (and women; the term fresh was intentionally omitted as that does not exactly present well given the context). Disappointed but not surprised. It's quite likely that Breeze wants the low minimum guarantee of 55 so that they can shrink their capacity in the low-demand months without paying pilots to sit. Lots of waiting around and prep time. Great idea. They understand that our pursuit of Excellence is not a destination, but rather, a journey. They have no employees right now and are relying upon applicants to look at the pay and say "Sounds good enough to me." Do you really want to get on an airplane flown by people with financial problems and no better options? Expect this trend to accelerate in the next 3-5 years. Breeze Airways Jobs & Careers - 22 Open Positions | Glassdoor I think these "internships" are not meant for people looking at a career as a flight attendant, but rather college age kids looking for a unique experience. Makes sense, and given right now there is a surplus of supply of pilots in the market they are able to lower wages to increase profits and thus be more likely to succeed. 35 developed countries around the world have better healthcare than the USA and many of them don't leave their citizens without a safety net. of Labor requires that to classify a worker as an intern, the intern has to be the primary beneficiary of the position, not the company. Breeze Airways provides nonstop service between underserved routes across the U.S. at affordable fares. Their value is astronomical. In the end I wish people would stop looking at every opportunity through their own eyes and realize that not every job has to be a union job or a job with all the perks of a career. Of course this wont last as the market rebounds, but the die will have been cast for what they think of their employees. I'm a 'union guy' for sure. Enjoy the Race To The Bottom, along with the clientele it will surely attract (think Spirit but even more extreme). Breeze Airways That rate of pay is so low and that availability schedule requires so much flexibility that I have to imagine he isn't targeting primarily college students, who have class schedules to contend with, but high school graduates and GED holders up through their early 20s. Outside of banner ads published through the Boarding Area network, this compensation does not impact how and where products appear on this site. Your feedback is important in helping us keep our community safe. At Breeze, we want to empower and support our Team Members so they can, in turn, empower and support our Guests every step of the journey. 6) When I have a lay-over in some capital of commerce, I may even be able to interview for my next great adventure for once I graduate! There are almost 1000 E175/E190 type rated pilots from ExpressJet and Compass. So theyre going to get experienced pilots (somewhat), that are already typed, with 1K hrs of 121 time (most likely), not have to pay initial or differences training for them, then pay them sh. Breeze Will Pay Flight Attendants $1,200 Per Month, Wants To Ding Your Credit Card Ben Schlappig Published: April 29, 2021 Updated: August 12, 2022 99 With Avelo Airlines having launched operations yesterday, Breeze Airways is expected to be the next US airline startup to begin flying. maximum takeoff weight), Note: PIC is defined as Captain or Aircraft Commander of record, not simply the sole manipulator of the controls, Valid FCC Radiotelephone Operators Permit, Must have or be able to obtain a valid U.S. drivers license, Must have or be able to obtain a valid passport, Must be able to travel unrestricted to and from the United States, Must pass a DOT pre-employment drug test, Must have authorization to work in the United States as defined by the Immigration Reform Act of 1986, MyIDTravel (preferred), or list at the gate, Monthly Pay Guarantee for Line Holders: 70 hours, Monthly Pay Guarantee for Reserves: 70 hours. As a society we have started to forget the notion of a first job leading to better skills and better salary.